11/22/2023 0 Comments How does super invalidate gylt![]() ![]() Before Toriyama's added backstory for 17 (wife and children, island ranger, etc.), before Super.Īs far as anybody was aware in the mid-90's, the #17 that we saw had met Trunks and the gang off screen (I believe that Trunks recognising #17 was dub only, but I can't double check) since the fight with Buu, but nothing else had happened in his life. I think the issue people have with comparing the two appearances of the character is that they're not taking into account that GT aired over 20 years ago. They ARE for character moments, but aren't feats a big part of the broad and vague term "character moments"? Lord Beerus wrote:Super's version of #17 is superior to GT's version, and it's not even remotely close.ġ0/10 post, but I don't think people are using feats as a replacement for character growth. #17 was brought into the fold in GT and it didn't matter. So I don't ultimately care for how strong he gets or what he accomplishes in battle. In GT, there's nothing for me to be invested in with the character. In Super, I'm invested in #17 because we see fully just how much his character has evolved, how much his life has positively changed from his perspective, how well he integrates with the cast (I absolutely loved the moment where he and Piccolo basically buried the hatchet and became allies), and how immensely useful and practical, whether its in strength, teamwork or strategy, he is in combat. I didn't care about anything regarding #17 specifically because the show gave me no reason to care for #17. I feel nothing towards #17 in GT and that was big problem I had with the Super 17 arc. I also couldn't give a flying fuck about the "feats" #17 achieves in GT (I'm seriously starting to resent the word "feats" as a replacement for character moments or growth, like I see some fans doing), because I ultimately don't have anything to emotionally and personally get attached to when #17 pulls his arbitrary Face/Heel turn, when he kills Krillin or even when dies at the hands of Goku. Even his big moment of killing Krillin means nothing because Krillin is brought back to life anyway. ![]() Hell, he's even wearing an identical coat to the one he wore when he made that cameo appearance in the Majin Boo arc! In GT, we find out nothing about his character, how he's changed or some kind of backstory to his life that would have made his fall into villainy somewhat sympathetic. He's the same guy we last saw from when he was donating energy to Goku's Genki Dama in kill Kid Boo. He basically got the happy ending that #18 got but with more depth and personal meaning. He has a happy life, with a well paying job that he enjoys a lot and has wife and children and is living in peace. #17 in Super came back strong enough to face SSJB Goku, displayed great tactical and physical prowess in offensive and defensive battle, has played a critical role in ensuring the safety of his universe (for now) with his fantastic performance in the Tournament Of Power, but the most important aspect of Super's incarnation of #17 over GT's incarnation is that his character arc got a progression and a definitive end. Super's version of #17 is superior to GT's version, and it's not even remotely close. Thinking back on it, seeing 18 have a growth arc was probably the most rewarding aspect of it. There was something both had to accomplish for 17 to be relevant again and it was to power him up significantly and it was handled differently in both cases.ġ7 threatening Maron and killing Krillin was also an emotional arc for 18 who rarely shows emotion in Z so I would argue that it was the best showing for both androids in terms of their humanity and relationships. I think 17 had a nice showing in Super, but only by way of powering him up via arbitrary training. In hindsight the guy accomplished a significant amount of havoc in a short period of time and joined the ranks of only a handful of enemies to successfully kill Krillin. Now, can you mention a single noteworthy moment 17 in Super anime series has accomplished ? Ragged SSJ4 Goku & played mind-games with him to an extent. Killed Krillin, KO'ed 18, pummeled Veggie, Gohan, Goten, Majuub. Feats were impressive as well considerin how short Super 17 Arc was in GT ![]()
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